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		<title>By: Experts Talk About Agile Marketing (1 of 2) &#124; TrellisOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Experts Talk About Agile Marketing (1 of 2) &#124; TrellisOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: What Lawyers Can Teach Product Management and Marketing About Requirements</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Lawyers Can Teach Product Management and Marketing About Requirements</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Increasing conversions by removing usability roadblocks &#124; StayOnSearch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Increasing conversions by removing usability roadblocks &#124; StayOnSearch</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] To get to this point, most usability engineers conduct tests to generate user feedback.A recent post on Test-Driven Marketing included a great quote on the importance of user experience (UX) testing in conversion focused [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Van Weerdenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Van Weerdenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Jeb.

Congratulations on your recent book. It looks interesting.</description>
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<p>Congratulations on your recent book. It looks interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb Blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

You are right on the money. We live in the age of transparency. Buyers can and will learn everything they need to know about you, your products, and your reputation online.  Buyers also have the freedom to ENGAGE companies, brands and people online as part of their research process. So you are right, selling and marketing has moved towards buying facilitation and away from advertising and pitching. 

In my book, People Buy You, I discuss how Sales Professionals must learn how to connect with their clients and customers emotionally in a way that allows them access to problems that  can be solved with their products or services. This engagement, or buying facilitation, occurs because the connection and subsequently a level of trust exists.

Marketing must learn the same lesson. In her book Age of Engage, Denise Shiffman offers excellent examples of how marketers should change how they view potential customers. The live web, which is driven by social media has afforded marketing an incredible opportunity to become an active part of the buying facilitation process. 

Marketing has the real opportunity to build emotional connections and trust with potential customers. However, marketers must lead the way in providing even greater transparency to products and services and more authenticity to brands.

Whatever term you choose, engagement, connecting, problem solving or buying facilitation (no disrespect to Sharon who apparently added these two words to the dictionary), it is important to understand that buyers, at the core, still make decisions based on emotions; though, how we shape those emotions as sellers and marketers is changing. 

Jeb Blount
CEO
SalesGravy.com
Author of People Buy You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>You are right on the money. We live in the age of transparency. Buyers can and will learn everything they need to know about you, your products, and your reputation online.  Buyers also have the freedom to ENGAGE companies, brands and people online as part of their research process. So you are right, selling and marketing has moved towards buying facilitation and away from advertising and pitching. </p>
<p>In my book, People Buy You, I discuss how Sales Professionals must learn how to connect with their clients and customers emotionally in a way that allows them access to problems that  can be solved with their products or services. This engagement, or buying facilitation, occurs because the connection and subsequently a level of trust exists.</p>
<p>Marketing must learn the same lesson. In her book Age of Engage, Denise Shiffman offers excellent examples of how marketers should change how they view potential customers. The live web, which is driven by social media has afforded marketing an incredible opportunity to become an active part of the buying facilitation process. </p>
<p>Marketing has the real opportunity to build emotional connections and trust with potential customers. However, marketers must lead the way in providing even greater transparency to products and services and more authenticity to brands.</p>
<p>Whatever term you choose, engagement, connecting, problem solving or buying facilitation (no disrespect to Sharon who apparently added these two words to the dictionary), it is important to understand that buyers, at the core, still make decisions based on emotions; though, how we shape those emotions as sellers and marketers is changing. </p>
<p>Jeb Blount<br />
CEO<br />
SalesGravy.com<br />
Author of People Buy You</p>
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		<title>By: David Ramthun</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ramthun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 05:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Project Management and Agile-Scrum...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your entry interesting thus I&#039;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)...</description>
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<p>I found your entry interesting thus I&#8217;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog <img src='http://testdrivenmarketing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Van Weerdenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Van Weerdenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment George.

The most impactful part of &quot;Ogilvy on Advertising&quot; for me was his discussion of what he learned from direct marketing. That lead me to &quot;Scientific Advertising&quot; by Claude Hopkins.

The great thing about the web is you can apply these techniques more broadly, at lower cost, and at lower volumes then historically with direct marketing or the application of those techniques in traditional marketing.

I&#039;ll look up the book you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment George.</p>
<p>The most impactful part of &#8220;Ogilvy on Advertising&#8221; for me was his discussion of what he learned from direct marketing. That lead me to &#8220;Scientific Advertising&#8221; by Claude Hopkins.</p>
<p>The great thing about the web is you can apply these techniques more broadly, at lower cost, and at lower volumes then historically with direct marketing or the application of those techniques in traditional marketing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look up the book you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measurable marketing has been a staple of direct marketing for decades.  See building a mail-order business by Cohen for a description of how to test offers.  (My copy is an older edition, and is in storage at the moment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measurable marketing has been a staple of direct marketing for decades.  See building a mail-order business by Cohen for a description of how to test offers.  (My copy is an older edition, and is in storage at the moment.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Van Weerdenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Van Weerdenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Mark!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  Here is the key point.  Testing is important today and testing has been important from &quot;way back&quot;.  If you got along before without testing, you must have been very lucky.  Testing is as important today as it has always been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Here is the key point.  Testing is important today and testing has been important from &#8220;way back&#8221;.  If you got along before without testing, you must have been very lucky.  Testing is as important today as it has always been.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Van Weerdenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Van Weerdenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments Edward and Pat. Good points.

I think marketing measurement was only viable to large B2C companies, only for certain aspects of marketing, only at great expense, and only over longer time periods. So you are right, but I think it&#039;s fair to say that marketing as a whole wasn&#039;t testable in comprehensive manner- especially for smaller companies.

According to Mark Jeffery in Data-Driven Marketing, 80% of Companies don&#039;t make data-driven marketing decisions, raising the question &lt;a href=&quot;http://testdrivenmarketing.com/267/why-dont-b2b-marketers-test-more&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Don&#039;t Marketers Test More&lt;/a&gt;. You raise the key points why that is- access to meaningful data, and the analytical skills to make that data meaningful to decision making. In my post I should qualify that an amazing metric is a relevant one :).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaushik.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Avinash Kaushik&#039;s Analytics blog&lt;/a&gt;  is a great resource for focusing measurement on outcomes, and he makes the humorous distinction between analysis ninjas and reporting squirrels. Two themes he visits often are that looking at web metrics without factoring in outcomes and goals (e.g. reporting versus analysis ninja) gives you insight the size of a pea compared to the possibility of a dinner plate, and that even if you have the great data, you need to translate it into a presentation format that matches your audience (e.g. executive team).

Similarly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://hubspot&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hubspot&lt;/a&gt; makes the distinction between web analytics and marketing analytics to emphasize the same idea.

I think Ed&#039;s last point is particularly important. Avinash Kaushik makes the point that after a few months, you won&#039;t get any benefit taking action on your top ten metrics or top ten data points per metric. You need to look at the metrics buried in the middle of your data and look for trends and opportunities there. Many companies optimize  for their current traffic, which isn&#039;t where the growth might be. They need to look for long-tail keywords, and keywords they aren&#039;t optimized for but provide value for. 

In my many years in B2B software, I often came across customers who were far into an evaluation and were very surprised to find a new vendor they had missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Edward and Pat. Good points.</p>
<p>I think marketing measurement was only viable to large B2C companies, only for certain aspects of marketing, only at great expense, and only over longer time periods. So you are right, but I think it&#8217;s fair to say that marketing as a whole wasn&#8217;t testable in comprehensive manner- especially for smaller companies.</p>
<p>According to Mark Jeffery in Data-Driven Marketing, 80% of Companies don&#8217;t make data-driven marketing decisions, raising the question <a href="http://testdrivenmarketing.com/267/why-dont-b2b-marketers-test-more" rel="nofollow">Why Don&#8217;t Marketers Test More</a>. You raise the key points why that is- access to meaningful data, and the analytical skills to make that data meaningful to decision making. In my post I should qualify that an amazing metric is a relevant one <img src='http://testdrivenmarketing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kaushik.net/" rel="nofollow">Avinash Kaushik&#8217;s Analytics blog</a>  is a great resource for focusing measurement on outcomes, and he makes the humorous distinction between analysis ninjas and reporting squirrels. Two themes he visits often are that looking at web metrics without factoring in outcomes and goals (e.g. reporting versus analysis ninja) gives you insight the size of a pea compared to the possibility of a dinner plate, and that even if you have the great data, you need to translate it into a presentation format that matches your audience (e.g. executive team).</p>
<p>Similarly, <a href="http://hubspot" rel="nofollow">Hubspot</a> makes the distinction between web analytics and marketing analytics to emphasize the same idea.</p>
<p>I think Ed&#8217;s last point is particularly important. Avinash Kaushik makes the point that after a few months, you won&#8217;t get any benefit taking action on your top ten metrics or top ten data points per metric. You need to look at the metrics buried in the middle of your data and look for trends and opportunities there. Many companies optimize  for their current traffic, which isn&#8217;t where the growth might be. They need to look for long-tail keywords, and keywords they aren&#8217;t optimized for but provide value for. </p>
<p>In my many years in B2B software, I often came across customers who were far into an evaluation and were very surprised to find a new vendor they had missed.</p>
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		<title>By: patmcgraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>patmcgraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing has always been measurable - the challenge was (and is) getting people to care and take the time to set up the test, capture the results and analyze the results so that informed recommendations could be made.

My marketing career began more than 25 years ago, and my first job required me to understand what efforts were attracting potential buyers to the business, and why some bought when others didn&#039;t.

This taught me simple ways to measure key marketing and sales metrics - cost per inquiry, cost per qualified lead, cost per new customer, average order size, order frequency, annual purchase ...

And this experience taught me about audience segmentation so we can select the most appropriate media, messages and offers so costs were managed and results improved.

I still do this - for the few companies that understand that spending $1 needs to generate more than $1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing has always been measurable &#8211; the challenge was (and is) getting people to care and take the time to set up the test, capture the results and analyze the results so that informed recommendations could be made.</p>
<p>My marketing career began more than 25 years ago, and my first job required me to understand what efforts were attracting potential buyers to the business, and why some bought when others didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This taught me simple ways to measure key marketing and sales metrics &#8211; cost per inquiry, cost per qualified lead, cost per new customer, average order size, order frequency, annual purchase &#8230;</p>
<p>And this experience taught me about audience segmentation so we can select the most appropriate media, messages and offers so costs were managed and results improved.</p>
<p>I still do this &#8211; for the few companies that understand that spending $1 needs to generate more than $1.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Taussig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Taussig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing per se has been measurable for a very long time, just not as effectively (Nielson ratings, surveys/focus groups, etc.), and was obviously not designed specifically for the internet.  There&#039;s a plethora of data now, so it&#039;s vital not just to track what is trackable, i.e. a view or a click is not a buy.
The same analogy applies if you&#039;re comparing marketing to software development. For example, managing the number lines of code rarely leads to better software. You need to know what to really measure before you can manage. You need to measure the end-result whenever possible, not some intermediate proxy. Just because the internet makes it easy to measure many things now doesn&#039;t make them all equally important. You need to really understand which of the &quot;literally hundreds of amazing measurements and tests that can be applied&quot; are actually relevant before you can become an effective marketer.

Just as in software development,  you also need to be careful not to optimize just what is easy to measure. You get the most benefit by the big paradigm changes, not minor tweaks  (in software development, the analogy is to coming up with a better algorithm, rather than trying to optimize existing code).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing per se has been measurable for a very long time, just not as effectively (Nielson ratings, surveys/focus groups, etc.), and was obviously not designed specifically for the internet.  There&#8217;s a plethora of data now, so it&#8217;s vital not just to track what is trackable, i.e. a view or a click is not a buy.<br />
The same analogy applies if you&#8217;re comparing marketing to software development. For example, managing the number lines of code rarely leads to better software. You need to know what to really measure before you can manage. You need to measure the end-result whenever possible, not some intermediate proxy. Just because the internet makes it easy to measure many things now doesn&#8217;t make them all equally important. You need to really understand which of the &#8220;literally hundreds of amazing measurements and tests that can be applied&#8221; are actually relevant before you can become an effective marketer.</p>
<p>Just as in software development,  you also need to be careful not to optimize just what is easy to measure. You get the most benefit by the big paradigm changes, not minor tweaks  (in software development, the analogy is to coming up with a better algorithm, rather than trying to optimize existing code).</p>
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		<title>By: Is Sales Become Marketing Technical Support?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Sales Become Marketing Technical Support?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Agile Marketing, Part II &#171; Only Once &#8211; Matt Blumberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agile Marketing, Part II &#171; Only Once &#8211; Matt Blumberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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